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    • Voting Theory sooo boring if not for the key to everything!

      Let’s get it all out there. Here is the list of things that I want to say but don’t know how to say them.

      1. I started searching/considering the most helpful I could be to humankind about 30 years ago.
      2. All roads pointed to law, the rule book of society. All laws pointed to the US Constitution. I have no interest in other nation’s laws because we are, by very far, closest to the people rule the law not vice-versa.
      3. The US Constitution is the rule book for our elections and blueprint for our tricameral system. It has good stuff like the bill of rights and bad stuff like the 4/5 clause.
      4. Clearly, if I wanted to help humankind, I could distribute food to starving children or, if I wanted to go for the jugular, I could spiff up our electoral system.
      5. Starting from scratch, I imagined a population voting for a president. Who gets to choose our candidates, who gets to vote and how often? I know that, for law to be fair, we must nail this election business.
      6. The paradox of elections is that you must make laws dictating elections, but elections serve to make laws.
      7. I started to game theory this whole business. Start with an island (so no outside influence or interference) and One Leader.
      8. When does the OL face an opponent?
        …this is about where I start to fall asleep. I’ve written this so many times it’s killing me. SOOO tired

      Fast forward…
      The OL (me because who else is going to get this ball rolling if not the discoverer of Democracy?) is subject to immediate removal upon the simultaneous dissent of over half of all people. I choose my opponent, Lisa of course.

      Now then. I, the OL, run the place and try to balance everything to make things as good as possible for as many people as possible. I react to large swaths of people dissenting by meeting their needs. Life goes on. Employment in planting trees and cleaning the oceans of plastic are readily available. Still, we will exhaust the Earth’s resources at some point.

      Now that we are living in harmony and budgeting our resources, what’s the end plan? No way are we going to fly a spaceship to a near (1000 light years away) planet to set up shop. Not gonna happen. Get used to it. When we are done with Earth, we are done as a species. Been a good run.

      BUT we must help life get a footing elsewhere. We can load bits of life (amoebas, cells etc.) abord a flying freezer and hurtle it off to other galaxies. Whether we aim for a planet in or throw a dart at a massive galaxy, our offering might just spark life somewhere else. Maybe, just maybe, life will take hold, and, in 20 million short years, people will be picking up dry cleaning and are back to leaving bad yelp reviews. From there, the planet will begin to succumb to the mismanagement of its resources, a person will design a blueprint specifying a system so that people can live with each other in peaceful and fun harmony until their last day upon which a spaceship carrying life’s building blocks is launched…

      posted in Voting Method Discussion
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    • Can Democracy have an air-tight legal definition?

      We the People are God
      by Mike Mosbrooker
      April 16, 2023

      I would never disparage a person’s religion, only its bad aspects of which there are many. Religion is family. To put down any organized religion is akin to hating family itself. Any creed, is an extension of family.

      I know where we need to go. OMOV. But I have no idea how to get there. Am I 100% positive that this is the silver bullet that will, in essence, fix everything? Yes.

      Do I think I can convince even one person of this? Doubtful but I’m hopeful. Will I write my magnus opus that will turn people’s heads toward the promise of Democracy? God only knows.

      I pray to the universal equalness of all people living today that our world does a 180 from wars, famine, greed, destruction, and hopelessness to one of promise, good will, helpfulness, teamwork, and wonder. I pray for this with no qualification, and I do not accept any trade of any kind for this turnabout to occur. It should happen at almost the snap of fingers.

      Do I hope for heaven on earth or Democracy? The former for sure. But I am 100% sure that the latter is the only way to get there.

      I pray to equalness (not sameness) because a person’s a person. No matter how small. This fundamental truth is the bedrock to build a grand tomorrow. The rich oil magnate is exactly one person. The beggar in Calcutta is also, exactly one person. Try as he might, the magnet will never be an iota more that 1 person in total and the beggar never less than 1.

      Our 1-ness is all we need. All laws are just dictates of our society that put us on the path to truth (only possible with a foundation of Democracy) or, alternately, a collection of lies, half-truths and good intentions that have us roaring toward the ever closer cliff.

      I would love to talk to anyone about this. Please reach out if interested.

      Peace and have a good day!

      Best, Mike Mosbrooker

      posted in Political Theory
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    • Voting Theory sooo boring if not for the key to everything!

      Let’s get it all out there. Here is the list of things that I want to say but don’t know how to say them.

      1. I started searching/considering the most helpful I could be to humankind about 30 years ago.
      2. All roads pointed to law, the rule book of society. All laws pointed to the US Constitution. I have no interest in other nation’s laws because we are, by very far, closest to the people rule the law not vice-versa.
      3. The US Constitution is the rule book for our elections and blueprint for our tricameral system. It has good stuff like the bill of rights and bad stuff like the 4/5 clause.
      4. Clearly, if I wanted to help humankind, I could distribute food to starving children or, if I wanted to go for the jugular, I could spiff up our electoral system.
      5. Starting from scratch, I imagined a population voting for a president. Who gets to choose our candidates, who gets to vote and how often? I know that, for law to be fair, we must nail this election business.
      6. The paradox of elections is that you must make laws dictating elections, but elections serve to make laws.
      7. I started to game theory this whole business. Start with an island (so no outside influence or interference) and One Leader.
      8. When does the OL face an opponent?
        …this is about where I start to fall asleep. I’ve written this so many times it’s killing me. SOOO tired

      Fast forward…
      The OL (me because who else is going to get this ball rolling if not the discoverer of Democracy?) is subject to immediate removal upon the simultaneous dissent of over half of all people. I choose my opponent, Lisa of course.

      Now then. I, the OL, run the place and try to balance everything to make things as good as possible for as many people as possible. I react to large swaths of people dissenting by meeting their needs. Life goes on. Employment in planting trees and cleaning the oceans of plastic are readily available. Still, we will exhaust the Earth’s resources at some point.

      Now that we are living in harmony and budgeting our resources, what’s the end plan? No way are we going to fly a spaceship to a near (1000 light years away) planet to set up shop. Not gonna happen. Get used to it. When we are done with Earth, we are done as a species. Been a good run.

      BUT we must help life get a footing elsewhere. We can load bits of life (amoebas, cells etc.) abord a flying freezer and hurtle it off to other galaxies. Whether we aim for a planet in or throw a dart at a massive galaxy, our offering might just spark life somewhere else. Maybe, just maybe, life will take hold, and, in 20 million short years, people will be picking up dry cleaning and are back to leaving bad yelp reviews. From there, the planet will begin to succumb to the mismanagement of its resources, a person will design a blueprint specifying a system so that people can live with each other in peaceful and fun harmony until their last day upon which a spaceship carrying life’s building blocks is launched…

      posted in Voting Method Discussion
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    • Can Democracy have an air-tight legal definition?

      We the People are God
      by Mike Mosbrooker
      April 16, 2023

      I would never disparage a person’s religion, only its bad aspects of which there are many. Religion is family. To put down any organized religion is akin to hating family itself. Any creed, is an extension of family.

      I know where we need to go. OMOV. But I have no idea how to get there. Am I 100% positive that this is the silver bullet that will, in essence, fix everything? Yes.

      Do I think I can convince even one person of this? Doubtful but I’m hopeful. Will I write my magnus opus that will turn people’s heads toward the promise of Democracy? God only knows.

      I pray to the universal equalness of all people living today that our world does a 180 from wars, famine, greed, destruction, and hopelessness to one of promise, good will, helpfulness, teamwork, and wonder. I pray for this with no qualification, and I do not accept any trade of any kind for this turnabout to occur. It should happen at almost the snap of fingers.

      Do I hope for heaven on earth or Democracy? The former for sure. But I am 100% sure that the latter is the only way to get there.

      I pray to equalness (not sameness) because a person’s a person. No matter how small. This fundamental truth is the bedrock to build a grand tomorrow. The rich oil magnate is exactly one person. The beggar in Calcutta is also, exactly one person. Try as he might, the magnet will never be an iota more that 1 person in total and the beggar never less than 1.

      Our 1-ness is all we need. All laws are just dictates of our society that put us on the path to truth (only possible with a foundation of Democracy) or, alternately, a collection of lies, half-truths and good intentions that have us roaring toward the ever closer cliff.

      I would love to talk to anyone about this. Please reach out if interested.

      Peace and have a good day!

      Best, Mike Mosbrooker

      posted in Political Theory
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    • Me again...

      What is our goal with a voting system? Should there be balance in power between people and government or should one dominate? What if the people are indoctrinated, brainwashed, or just mean? Checks and balances to keep people/government in check?
      Personally, I say let the people lead and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe this all distills to beliefs about human nature. I am sure that people are more than just fine, they are our only hope (Obi Wan). This is faith on steroids. I know a lot about people because I am one. I have hopes, regrets, skills, and faults just as our species does as a whole. I have never been in your shoes, but it makes sense to me that you are just as human as I am, whether you are a sheik, tailor, doctor, or murderer. There is definitely bad stuff in the world, just as part of me is bad (I’m not perfect) but the majority of humanity, and me, is good.
      I’m not saying that Hitler was good. He is an example of why we need government: to keep dangerous people from the means to do harm. We have free speech, but we need laws that censor dangerous people (Ron DeSantis) from harming people (the entire LGBTQ community).
      Back to the source of laws: Government.
      We all want some control of government but how? What voting system is best? But first, do we trust people to make the call, or do we need a nanny state that usurps election results?
      Let Democracy live and run its course. Trust me it will create such a heaven on earth that organized religions will be scrambling to continue to sell their superstition of the “after life.”
      Side note about heaven: Not clouds, robes and harps but people being able to live their lives without fear of climate devastation, poverty, war or (easily curable) illness. Heaven, to me, is simply a good life for all people. In heaven the 20% right wing haters and the 20% left wing reactors both join the 60% middle who just want to live a good life and be left alone.
      With Democracy we can love more. Help more. Care more. And we can finally manage this planet effectively and productively to enrich the lives of all people. Maybe we have too many billionaires? Maybe there shouldn’t be any? I digress.
      So, if we were to let the people rule (by government proxy), how to do it? Going from the electoral college to ranked choice or winner take all states (even proportionalizing the senate) is not gonna do it. Let’s get to the heart of the matter: how do we have you, the reader, be an equal part of foundationally controlling our government, at all times?
      One person, one continuous binary vote, cradle to grave. One world leader immediately abdicates upon the simultaneous disapproval of >half of all people. One day, when the world is one big happy Democracy, we’re all going to say, “can’t believe we didn’t do this sooner.”
      Have a great day and stay warm if your in the NE like me!

      posted in Voting Method Discussion
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      @cfrank @Toby-Pereira
      Thx for the tag assist. I live I learn!
      I pray to the universal equalness of all people living today that we, somehow, achieve heaven on earth where life is good and that the future is promising. I pray that wars, poverty, climate destruction, depression, resignation are all things of the past. I make this prayer to god (as defined above) and that we realize our full human potential quickly and completely with no offsetting quid pro quo or "bad twist ending theater" to "balance out" this prayer. Amen.
      That's how I pray. For a lot of stuff. To me, the one truism is the equaleness of all people. This one simple, self-evident fact, is the fuel that, with an appropriate efficient engine, can get us to where we all want to be.
      So how do we funnel our equalness, all 8 billion's worth, into running this shit show?
      The two burning questions 1) can we do it? Is there some way to harness the whim of all people, without anyone playing god and predetermining a rule book that can and will be exploited to nefarious ends? and 2) should we do it? If we have a machine that fits the bill, would it be a good idea to turn it on?
      So anyhow, I apologize for not directly responding to your notes. The Federalist Papers, Constitution Convention, Pre-amble etc. are of great interest to me. I'm just trying to do something that is very different that I think will really help. Kind of, sort of, like Chastain's NASCAR wall ride. Hilarious btw if you haven't seen it!
      As always, if at anytime I cross your perceived line of sanity, I apologize and of course don't expect a response.

      posted in Voting Methods
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      For argument's sake lets say I'm wrong: It's a bad idea to give everyone a continuous vote, leaders should never pick their successors etc.
      How much do we negotiate away Democracy (where all people have an equal say all the time)? Do we give each state 2 senators to throttle the people of the cities? Do we have a toxic "election season" where all money is focused on one single day? Who are these two candidates we choose from? It seems like we have a choice but who made the choice of who we choose between?
      The big issue to me is China/India. Let's say it: they have a lot of people. But, they are people before they are citizens of a national syndicate.
      A minority not letting all the people have a voice is kind of like apartheid South Africa.
      Just typing to myself here...

      posted in Voting Methods
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      I think that election theorists try to ensure that a leader is good and decent. One might say that winner-take all states, two senators regardless of population, ranked choice, voting holiday, mandatory voting etc. will do the trick. If not, we can try referendums.
      I think the focus instead should be on giving Joe Blow (from Kalamazoo, Abuja or Phnom Penh) the ultimate political power: the decision to say WHEN leadership must change. Make it right for the person and the leader will be a good leader by the people.

      If this was a board game (Stratego), I would see two phases to make this happen. First is gaining Democracy. Second is the defense of Democracy. Even in a Democracy, someone might stand in Joe’s way of easily voting NO. Maybe someday we will attain the big D but we still need to be vigilant. If even one person, for one moment, can’t vote or if a leader refuses to step down upon simultaneous majority disapproval, then we are right back where we started and fight for D again we will. (Yoda)

      Maybe the smoothest way to implement world D is to make it a non-binding “pulse of the people” system. Give every person on the planet a unique ID number (12 digits is more than enough) that they can use to thumbs up/down. (Default is thumbs up). We will see very quickly that impoverished, war town nations are almost unanimously thumbs down as people vote on how things are for them. Imagine a covid-like hotspot world map. Dark red is heavily thumbs down, dark green heavily thumbs up (or neutral).

      People do like to know what they are voting on but any seemingly innocuous question like “how are things for you?” can quickly be open for manipulation. So, no qualifier. People will get the idea. At the very least, when Burundi sends out a crimson red SOS from the actual people, it will be duly noted.

      IMHO Democracy works with any size population if everyone is included (thus the definition of Democracy). It will work on an island of 25 if there are no other islands. It will work on a planet if neighboring planets are uninhabited. So, yeah, it will work on Earth but not sure about just one nation. If Spain wanted to do this on its own it would be very tricky because of intrinsic interactions with other nations (trade, travel, collaboration etc.)

      But 8 billion people? No harder than 25. OK, a bit harder. A few cray super computers and determination to give every person an ID number would be necessary. If banks can keep track of millions of people’s trillions of dollars, to the penny, every second, we can manage a binary vote from a few billion people.

      I will sign off by thanking you from my heart for this correspondence. I have been playing this game theory in my head for a long time. Responding is like breathing to me. For however long it lasts, I am grateful. Beyond.

      posted in Voting Methods
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      I say that the successor is picked by the predecessor b/c I think there is no other way. I mean no other fair, just, and thus legitimate way to pick the new leader. Let’s say you could pick a successor fairly (random is not fair but, sure, random even). ‘A’ is the leader and B is, somehow, the fairly chosen alternative. ‘A’ will spend a lot of time eyeballing B. The relationship will be contentious at the least and openly hostile at the worse.
      And all people who are not A or B would have to suck it up and deal with the result of this fighting. Nothing substantial would get done. The island would spiral into a state of disrepair. They wouldn’t even know what to do if a pandemic hit.
      On the other hand, if the leader chooses his best buddy, C, then he can go about leading without worry about leadership opposition. However, he will have to worry about the check and balance of not meeting the people’s needs and getting balanced out of office.

      Weirdly enough, dangers of a one-party system are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the connection between the people and the leader’s “time’s up” clock.

      How about this: A judge picked foreman and 12 jurors sequester to deliberate. A juror says, “let’s just say the guy’s guilty and we can go home.” When the foreman says “No, we’ve got to do this right” 3 necklaces go to the peg. When the foreman decides to abolish lunch, 6 necklaces get hung. He doesn’t reinstate lunch; the 7th necklace is placed, and the foreman taps his buddy for the job. His buddy doesn’t want lunch either but kinda wants to keep being the leader. So, he asks if people would be OK with ½ hour lunch. Necklaces go back on bodies, and he leads on.

      posted in Voting Methods
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      I can't seem to convince myself that this is a bad idea. Kinda wish I could so I could move on with my life. I greatly thank you for your input. It means the world to me. Please feel free to agree to disagree and I will resume playing solitare.

      Just for arguments sake, what would have happened on the Mayflower if someone suggested that yes, Captain Jones can be the boss but every single person gets a continuous approval vote? First, how would it work? Maybe everyone wears a thin necklace to show approval of Jones. To disapprove, a passenger would put her necklace on a hook for all to see. Mr. Story can changes his mind and take the necklace on and off as he likes.
      Jones drives his boat and makes proclamations. "All Saints get food, Strangers are now slaves." Immediately more necklaces land on the hook and Jones is replaced by his pick. Everyone gets their necklace back on and Carver will change the new law to keep from being similarly ousted.
      Carver could molest all those without necklaces and rule by force but the ease of revolution (lets all post our necklaces at 2pm) would make him... a better leader. Besides, he probably wouldn't hassle bare necked people because his "opponent" is his best friend. No motivation for authoritarian rule.
      If I was a passenger and suggested this system I would be thrown overboard. Same if I said women could vote so, in for a penny...

      posted in Voting Methods
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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      Yeah I don't like the idea of a one family rule forever but I can't see how you could chose a more fair successor. In fact I see this as the ultimate compromise in a fair society: John Doe gets to vote, whenever he wants, to oust the leader, in exchange he doesn't get to say who the leader is.
      I think this takes into account every real problem facing person and planet today. We can't seem to fix this crumbling restaurant. Not without new management (a just voting/legal structure).
      There is a check and balance: directly in the hands of the people. Imagine a leader that is nervous for his job every second! He will quickly come around to making sure his restaurant is top notch. No powerful person wants to loose their job. In a partial or non-democracy he can focus on the rich, dismiss (or worse) the poor and let the restaurant fail.
      The constitution is the beginning of law but it is made to be changed. No more 3/5 clause. Freedom of speech is an amendment, an add on.
      So I say reduce the constitution to the most vital bits and let law emanate from there. We The People.
      To me, the amazing thing is that Democracy exists. It is the light we need. It's really is so simple: I think that's it's beauty.
      The fact that every single human is exactly one is the only fuel we need to run our species with happiness forever. No one is the same but no living person is more or less than exactly, precisely one human being.
      I know this is a ramble and I hope not a rant. I honestly believe that I see something really really helpful. The devil is in the details so I very much appreciate your input and not outright dismissiveness (which I certainly would understand).

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    • RE: What would a perfect voting system look like?

      A note to anyone reading this. With any system there seems to be two concerns 1)what it looks like and 2) what will happen.
      Clearly 2) is a long shot. I ask a favor: that you can focus on what it looks like. For example, if I said the best government would be if everyone wore purple shirts you might ask "what about night time or swimming?" or "what about mauve?"
      Unlike shirt color, I think that Democracy (in my definition) is unambiguously clear. Every islander gets a continuous binary vote, the leader resigns if ever over 1/2 are aligned NO, she appoints her successor and votes reset. I think we agree that we don't want some crappy leader. IMHO my definition of democracy assures that if we do, the ship is almost immediately righted. (There I go being defensive about category 2- apologies)

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