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    • Is there any difference between ways of counting Borda?

      I've heard of three different ways to count Borda-like ballots

      • "each one receives n – 1 points for a first preference, n – 2 for a second, and so on"
      • "As Borda proposed the system, each candidate received one more point for each ballot cast than in tournament-style counting, eg. 4-3-2-1 instead of 3-2-1-0"
      • Sum up the rankings themselves and elect the candidate with the lowest sum

      I've always assumed these are exactly equivalent, and will always elect the same candidate with a given set of ballots, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something. Are they the same even in cases where incomplete rankings are allowed, and in cases where equal rankings are allowed?

      posted in Single-winner
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    • Graphs and notes from Weber 1977

      I've been researching the history of utility simulations, and it seems the paper that started it all is Weber 1977 (though these technically aren't simulations, since he calculated closed-form expressions analytically). Anyway, the paper isn't OCRed or bookmarked or searchable, so I had to actually skim through the whole thing with my own eyes.

      Weber's "Effectiveness" is the same thing as Merrill's "Social Utility Efficiency", which is the same thing as Shentrup's "Voter Satisfaction Index", which is the same thing as Quinn's "Voter Satisfaction Efficiency": The utility of the winning candidate (totalled across all voters) , as a fraction of the distance between the average utility of all candidates (= average of many random winners) and the utility of the best candidate. For example, this winner would have a value of 75%:

      --------- Best candidate
      
      --------- Actual winner
      
      --------- 
      
      --------- 
      
      --------- Average of all candidates
      

      The paper doesn't have any graphs, just the expressions and a single table of a few Effectiveness values. I put the expressions into a spreadsheet and plotted various things, and verified against the table:

      Here is The Effectiveness of Several Voting Systems table from p. 19 of Reproducing Voting Systems, except in graphical form and with more values calculated:

      Effectiveness table.png

      • Standard is of course First Past the Post, and we all know how that works.
      • Vote-for-half is Approval voting, except that all voters use the identical strategy of approving half of the candidates.
        • This sounds similar, but is not the same, as Merrill's Approval strategy, in which all voters approve of any candidates of above-average utility (optimal from the voter's perspective, without any info from polls). Although this would be half approvals per ballot on average, it's not always half for an individual voter.
          • (In a quick test, it seems that the optimal strategy provides higher social utility than Weber's, but I haven't double-checked my code.)
          • (Weber does recognize that this is the optimal strategy, and says that voters using optimal strategy is assumed throughout the paper, but then … doesn't actually do that?)
      • Best Vote-for-or-against-k uses the Vote-for-or-against-k method, with k set to the value that maximizes social utility for a given number of candidates (about 1/3).
        • Vote-for-or-against-k, in turn, is the method in which voters can choose to vote for k candidates, or against k candidates. So this can be thought of as combined approval voting, but with every voter using this same strategy. (I assume these strategies were used just because they were easier to calculate analytically.)
      • Borda is Borda count

      Weber gets a Social Utility Efficiency of 82% for all two-candidate elections, while Merrill gets 100%. This is because Merrill normalizes utilities before finding the utility winner in each election. I think Weber's approach makes more sense, since I believe that elections with polarizing majoritarian winners beating broadly-liked candidates really do happen. WDS refers to this discrepancy, too, because honest Score voting could actually get to 100%:

      Note that when C = 2, achievable voting systems will not achieve zero BR. That error made in a previous study [17] probably indicates it had a computer programming “bug.”

      (I think Weber mentions this, too, but assumes that everyone would normalize to min/max and so it would end up equivalent to Approval. But now I can't find it. Maybe that was another paper. I'll edit this later.)

      Here's "Vote-for-k":

      Vote for k.png

      • Vote-for-1 is just FPTP
      • Vote-for-half is the value of k that produces the best social utility for a given number of candidates, when every voter uses it, as above.

      Here's "Vote-for-or-against-k":

      Vote for or against k.png

      • Vote-for-or-against-1 is the same as "negative vote" or "bipolar voting" or "balanced plurality voting".
      • Best Vote-for-or-against-k is just value of k for a given number of candidates that provides the highest social utility when every voter uses it, as above.

      These all use the "random society" model, so not super realistic, but still useful for relative comparisons of methods and for verifying Monte Carlo simulations against.

      (I was going to transcribe the expressions here for other's convenience, but math markup doesn't work yet.)

      posted in Simulations
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    • Archives of other dead forums

      In addition to hosting the archive of forum.electionscience.org, it would be good to host the archives of election-related Yahoo Groups (and maybe Google Groups, if CES group is going away?)

      • [EM] Dumping election-methods Yahoo groups before the Dec 14 deadline
        Kristofer Munsterhjelm
      • Reddit: All election-related Yahoo Groups will be deleted in 24 hours

      I got some of the data from each of these, but I haven't gone through to see how complete they are:

      • ApprovalVoting [Citizens For Approval Voting]
      • AR-NewsWI ["Animal Right News- Wisconsin", not sure why listed]
      • AVFA [Approval Voting Free Association]
      • btpnc-talk [Libertarian Boston Tea Party Free Association, not sure why listed]
      • Condorcet [Membership approved]
      • electionmethods
      • EMIG-Wikipedia [Wikipedia Election Methods Interest Group]
      • instantrunoff-freewheeling
      • InstantRunoffCA [Membership approved]
      • InstantRunoffWI
      • RangeVoting [Automatically rejected]
      • stv-voting

      Total size of my dumps are probably <1.5 GB with all the duplicated content removed.

      Kristofer listed a few more groups that he downloaded. ArchiveTeam maybe got some that were not listed? Maybe others are floating around out there?

      Unfortunately, I think some of these were lost forever, because they were accessible only to members, and no members archived them (unless they did so without posting about it).

      posted in Request for Features
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    • RE: Archives of other dead forums

      Kristofer set up a browseable archive:

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/

      The forums I've archived have at least one message with at least one of
      the terms "center squeeze", "Condorcet", "d'Hondt", "favorite betrayal",
      "monotonicity", "Range voting", "Ranked Pairs", Sainte Lague", "Schulze
      method" or "Score voting".

      The browseable parts have the /web/ foldername:

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/sd-2/web/2005-April/by-date.html

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/sd-2/web/2005-April/msg00013.html

      posted in Request for Features
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    Latest posts made by Psephomancy

    • RE: Waterfox

      @jack-waugh said in Waterfox:

      @psephomancy, do you still love Waterfox Classic?

      I switched to regular Firefox about a year ago, sadly. I still have Waterfox for occasional use of the add-ons that aren't supported anywhere else anymore, but I don't use it regularly; it's just not viable anymore. 😞

      posted in Issue Reports
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    • RE: RCV IRV Hare

      @rob I've seen the claim made many times, but never with any evidence to back it up, so I would like to know what the actual data is, and if it shows anything actually interesting.

      If 90% of those elections had only one candidate, for instance, it wouldn't be particularly meaningful that RCV selected them.

      posted in Single-winner
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    • RE: RCV IRV Hare

      @rob said in RCV IRV Hare:

      @psephomancy Are you looking for more than the statement from FairVote?

      Here is where they say it: https://www.fairvote.org/research_rcvwinners

      As for the ballot data for those 440 elections, I don't have it, but someone may.

      Yeah, I've heard this claim a bunch of times but never with actual data showing that there was a Condorcet winner and that they won.

      Of the 440 single-winner RCV elections in the United States since 2004 in which we have sufficient ballot data to assess whether the Condorcet winner won the election, all but one — the 2009 mayoral election in Burlington, Vermont — were won by the Condorcet winner.

      🤔

      posted in Single-winner
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    • RE: RCV IRV Hare

      @rob said in RCV IRV Hare:

      Yes this is true. 440 elections, all had a Condorcet winner. One of them didn't pick that Condorcet winner.

      Where is the data for this?

      posted in Single-winner
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    • RE: RCV IRV Hare

      @rob said in RCV IRV Hare:

      I particularly like this chart showing how the IRV election for London Breed played out:

      []

      It is interesting in that it makes clear certain things that aren't so clear in other ways of expressing results, including Condorcet matrices.... for instance it clearly shows how most of Jane Kim's votes went to Mark Leno. It is clear that Mark Leno would have done a lot worse in a plurality race, as Jane Kim would have been a spoiler.

      You can do the same Sankey diagrams for Condorcet methods that eliminate candidates in rounds, like Baldwin's method or BTR-IRV.

      posted in Single-winner
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    • Is there any difference between ways of counting Borda?

      I've heard of three different ways to count Borda-like ballots

      • "each one receives n – 1 points for a first preference, n – 2 for a second, and so on"
      • "As Borda proposed the system, each candidate received one more point for each ballot cast than in tournament-style counting, eg. 4-3-2-1 instead of 3-2-1-0"
      • Sum up the rankings themselves and elect the candidate with the lowest sum

      I've always assumed these are exactly equivalent, and will always elect the same candidate with a given set of ballots, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something. Are they the same even in cases where incomplete rankings are allowed, and in cases where equal rankings are allowed?

      posted in Single-winner
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    • RE: SACRW2: Score And Choose Random Winner from 2 complementing methods

      @Sass said in SACRW2: Score And Choose Random Winner from 2 complementing methods:

      You'll never get lay people on board with a blatantly non-determinative method.

      Why not? If the two methods elect the same person almost all of the time, while choosing between them randomly makes strategy impossible, people will understand.

      I've often wondered about such a system, and if it provides a workaround for Gibbard's theorem. Design two voting systems that behave consistently if people are honest, but behave oppositely if people are strategic, and choose between them randomly, so that no one can predict whether a given strategy would help them or hurt them. I don't think you can pick two existing methods, though, I think you need to specifically design them to be contradictory.

      posted in New Voting Methods and Variations
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    • RE: Archives of other dead forums

      Kristofer set up a browseable archive:

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/

      The forums I've archived have at least one message with at least one of
      the terms "center squeeze", "Condorcet", "d'Hondt", "favorite betrayal",
      "monotonicity", "Range voting", "Ranked Pairs", Sainte Lague", "Schulze
      method" or "Score voting".

      The browseable parts have the /web/ foldername:

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/sd-2/web/2005-April/by-date.html

      https://munsterhjelm.no/km/yahoo_lists_archive/sd-2/web/2005-April/msg00013.html

      posted in Request for Features
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    • RE: Who Is Doing This

      @Jack-Waugh said in Who Is Doing This:

      In particular, there is as yet no treasurer and there are no established procedures for receiving donations and paying expenses. I have been footing the bill for the server at $5/mo. and that for the domain registrations, on the order of $20 annually for each.

      I will send money as soon as this procedure is established, or can do it now if that's ok. You shouldn't be both paying for it and doing all the work.

      posted in Forum Policy
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    • RE: Archives of other dead forums

      ArchiveTeam also got a few of them:

      • AVFA
      • electionmethods
      • instantrunoff-freewheeling
      • instantrunoffca-news
      • InstantRunoffWI
      • RangeVoting
      • stv-voting

      You can search for others at https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_yahoogroups

      Some other groups have been converted to HTML for browsing on the web.

      posted in Request for Features
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