Posts made by Jack Waugh

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth-funding-5776beefdd2b

The first two voters fail to use the endpoints of the range available to them. Do you expect such behavior in political elections that matter? I think comparisons of voting systems based on hypothetical examples should begin with the voters' valuations of the possibilities normalized. I don't know that it's worth studying examples where voters voluntarily give up power. We as students of these systems need all the time and attention we can put on cases where the purpose of the election is to resolve strong political disagreement among the voters. We need elections to work well when the voters are struggling for political power. Such voters would use the endpoints of the range unless they are not properly informed as to how the system works.

@cfrank , in regard to your post, do you want to cite an example that would meet the condition you have in mind but not be seen by me as "additive"?

@sarawolk Now Clay responded to me and said he originally proposed the balance condition (and the Frohnmayer name indicates Mark's father; Mark said it was his father who defined the condition).

@cfrank I'm still talking about a single-winner system. The winner would be chosen in the general election.

If the proposal were to have a primary and then always have a runoff, I would think to suggest that the primary should be PR. This would tend to give voters a real choice in the runoff instead of two similar candidates. But you are proposing a kind of primary that under some conditions would obviate the need for a runoff.

I list both names because Clay said he was involved with defining the balance condition.

Offhand, I don't see any reason to object, provided that the primary election method conforms to Shentrup/Frohnmayer balance.

Is it compliant with the favorite-betrayal condition? Does that matter much?

In the Electoral Methods e-mail broadcast, Etjon Basha asks, "So, not even approval would pass? Nothing beyond plurality?".

@cfrank Sara and I disagree on the terminology. My position is that the qualifier Ware makes clear what tallying is called in. So, Ware RCV for the specific system that Rob Ritchie & co. are promoting.

How would those who cast a given type of ballot make group decisions?

@robla It is the "Electorama" area on Discord.

https://discord.gg/CNp3vjhB

@cfrank Consider a score system with a range of 0 through 5 by 1. Giving Harris a 1 would raise her chances of beating, say, Stein, who gets a 5 from me.

@cfrank I honestly think that Trump and Harris deserve prison for life for supporting the killing of 17,000 Arab children. In a rating system, they both deserve the bottom rate. But on the ranking side, I would put Harris above Trump, because of his domestic fascist tendencies. Coupling would prevent honesty.

I suspect that the tightness of coupling between the rating part and the ranking part is a problem with these schemes. The first ballot should have separate sections (or "races" in the terms of bettervoting.com) for rating and ranking, if we want the absolute peak of accuracy.

Or how about use the Score winner as one finalist, and the Minimax winner as the other.

So, to make a more concrete proposal for how to narrow the field to two finalists, we could say collect Score-style five-star ballots, and present the Score winner as one finalist, and do something like Copeland to get the other finalist, who would be the calculated Condorcet winner if there is one, and would be otherwise pretty good as determined by Copeland-like techniques in the absence of a Condorcet winner.

A real runoff is not complex to understand, at least in principle. Do you think that actually running one could produce a more accurate result than would be produced by the best of systems (like approval-seeded Llull, for example) that perform "instant" runoff rounds of tallying, but do not require the voters to return for a second polling?

How large? What would be a good name for the resulting system? Would it address your original concerns equally so well as a second polling would?