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    • SaraWolk

      RCV found unconstitutional in Maine.
      Single-winner • • SaraWolk

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      ADMIN REMINDER:
      If your comments on a post changes topics substantively from the original post, please create your own post so we can stay on topic.

      Clarifying questions about terminology are on topic, but this thread is about the Maine Supreme Court ruling so advocacy to change voting system's names is off topic here.

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      Smith Primary to Approval
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      @jack-waugh

      I list both names because Clay said he was involved with defining the balance condition.

      I don't think so, but Clay was involved with the invention of STAR Voting. Maybe that's what you were thinking of or what he meant? I could be wrong. In any case we generally are trying to move away from naming things after people which is why this was named the Equality Criterion and then codified as such in the halls of peer review. Something we all worked very hard to do.

      Clay and Mark both deserve quite a lot of credit for their many contributions, but let's help these terms and criteria catch on by being consistent with using their formal names.

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    • GregW

      Consensus Choice, a new (2024) and simple Condorcet voting method
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      @poppeacock a Condorcet method is defined in terms of the notion of a “Condorcet winner”, which is a candidate that beats every other candidate in a majoritarian head-to-head match up, also called a “beats all” winner. There can be at most one Condorcet winner in an election; however, there are pathological cases when a Condorcet winner does not exist at all, caused by what are known as Condorcet cycles.

      The classic example is three voters using rank ballots over three candidates:

      V1: A>B>C
      V2: B>C>A
      V3: C>A>B

      You can see that A>B 2:1, B>C 2:1, but C>A 2:1. So A>B>C>A is a Condorcet cycle, which is a generalized “rock-paper-scissors” situation. Whichever candidate you choose as the winner, there is some majority of the voters who would have preferred a different candidate. That’s the unfortunate thing that happens when a Condorcet winner doesn’t exist…

      Regardless, a Condorcet method is any method that guarantees electing the Condorcet winner when one exists. Condorcet methods differ in how they reconcile choosing a winner when the Condorcet winner does not exist, I.e. in effect how they determine which majority group(s) to jilt.

      So for example, if Ranked Robin doesn’t specify how it resolves when there is no Condorcet winner, then it’s really a blanket term for Condorcet methods in general. Or maybe it’s a label for a particular curated subset of Condorcet methods.

      There are many Condorcet methods, including Ranked Pairs, Schulze’s method, Copeland’s method, Minimax, and Bottom-Two-Runoff (by Tideman).

      I like Bottom-Two-Runoff because it’s efficient and also equivalent to a seemingly (but not actually) more robust system: https://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/564/bottom-n-and-bottom-2-runoffs-are-equivalent

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      Concepts for US Constitutional Reform
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      I think it's fine to have it here, but being a US-specific thing, I probably don't have much to say on it!