<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Approval vs. IRV]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Approval vs. IRV</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/61/approval-vs-irv</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2026 13:12:50 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/61.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:32:55 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Mon, 05 Apr 2021 20:09:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/8">@Marylander</a> said in <a href="/forum/post/266">Approval vs. IRV</a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">[IRV] will strike out everyone but the top two, then pick the most preferred candidate between the two.</p>
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<p dir="auto">The current system does that just fine.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/279</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/279</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 20:09:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 00:17:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@Jack-Waugh</a> said in <a href="/forum/post/216">Approval vs. IRV</a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Mr. Drutman opined that no single-winner election can defend against two-party dominance. I would like to ask him, in that case, why he debated on the side of one voting system over another for such elections.</p>
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<p dir="auto">This seems to be the central issue. If you assume that single-winner election systems will inevitably be two-party dominated, then IRV does basically everything you could want. It will strike out everyone but the top two, then pick the most preferred candidate between the two. In a two party dominated Approval contest, the voters must decide for themselves how much they value influencing the contest between the frontrunners, and how much they value making other distinctions. You'll notice that in two-party dominated elections that use plurality, voters similarly have to make choices about which distinctions they most value making. I think this is why they often compare Approval to plurality and emphasize later no harm - the kinds of elections that IRV advocates worry about look very specifically like Gore losing to Bush in Florida.</p>
<p dir="auto">When I talk to local IRV advocates, the most persuasive thing I can do is to point out that local races don't look like Bush vs Gore, because when there is a competitive race, it is often because there is an open seat, and 3 or 4 people who have been waiting to run for that seat all see their opportunity.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/266</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/266</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2021 00:17:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:11:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@Jack-Waugh</a> The recording of the debate is now <a href="https://jackson.yale.edu/video/event-recording-alternative-voting-systems/" rel="nofollow ugc">published</a> by Yale.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/252</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/252</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:11:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:08:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@Jack-Waugh</a> Eventually it occurred to me that Drutman might be present on the Twitter service. And indeed, there he is. So I wrote in public to him via that service, "<a href="https://twitter.com/william_waugh/status/1378324055263223808" rel="nofollow ugc">@leedrutman, given your position that no single-winner election procedure could make it possible for third-party and independent candidates to beat the Republicans and 'Democrats', why did you take a side for one single-winner voting system vs. another?</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/william_waugh/status/1378324242530512896" rel="nofollow ugc">What good can come from reforming single-winner elections or indeed from voting in them if the outcome is predetermined?</a>"</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/251</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/251</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:08:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Fri, 02 Apr 2021 08:36:19 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">To those who want to abbreviate Approval Voting as AV, let me point out that in the UK, AV means IRV (as the "Alternative Vote").</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/234</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/234</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2021 08:36:19 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:16:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Regarding the debate that Yale sponsored:</p>
<p dir="auto">At the end, someone announced that there would be a place for discussions following up, some organ of Yale's, but I didn't record the name of that organ.</p>
<p dir="auto">Mr. Drutman opined that no single-winner election can defend against two-party dominance. I would like to ask him, in that case, why he debated on the side of one voting system over another for such elections.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/216</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/216</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:16:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:37:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">IRV uses ranking which is inconvenient as a voting method.<br />
Ranking requires (for "voter equality") that all voters evaluate the same number of candidates and therefore there will always be some voters who wanted to rank more candidates, and other voters who wanted to rank less.<br />
Writing it on paper is more difficult than AV.</p>
<p dir="auto">AV, on the other hand, is exaggeratedly simple to understand and write, with no restrictions on the minimum or maximum number of candidates to be evaluated.</p>
<p dir="auto">On a theoretical level, IRV doesn't seem to me to have good enough sides to beat AV.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/213</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/213</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Essenzia]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:37:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:13:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@Jack-Waugh</a> It's nice to see a cardinal method being invited to the table, and not just IRV.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/211</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/211</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:13:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:55:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@Jack-Waugh</a> STAR should be invited</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/190</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/190</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Edmonds]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:55:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">There will be a <a href="https://default.salsalabs.org/Tc613806e-bc3b-4059-9fbf-2866465960bb/dd7f7e4a-12c3-49cf-a604-4da44fe5943b" rel="nofollow ugc">debate</a> on this topic on 2021-03-26 at 15:30 Eastern.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/188</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/188</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:43:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Approval vs. IRV on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:38:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">There is a huge discussion about this comparison/contrast<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/Approvalvoting/permalink/3512367798888993/?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZU3KJpi_9wJzndhjqkWsqv-L1Q8ckBm-eNf6ybjfZVovKSLMTW0dOdwE9rHlVIt-hFsHE2xq_aejmBONAzjdSr0jo4zZIT-O8TDhQZXMh2XL-wZ3oVMQFV7ucOWR_HW_Tc&amp;__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R" rel="nofollow ugc">on Facebook</a>.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/187</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/187</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:38:10 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>