<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[A Graph Theoretical Conjecture]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Say I have a tournament graph G = (V, E) where every edge has a unique positive weight, and I have a function f: V --&gt; V with the following property:</p>
<ul>
<li>E contains (x, f(x)) for all x</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto">And, for all y, and z != y, f(y), then either:</p>
<ul>
<li>E contains (f(y), z), or</li>
<li>There is a path in G from f(y) to z such that each edge has larger weight than (z, f(y))</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto">Now let x be such that (x, f(x)) is minimized. Must there be a path in G from f(x) to x where each edge has a larger weight than (x, f(x)) ?</p>
<p dir="auto">Any insights, proofs, or counterexamples welcomed. I've been thinking about this problem for a while now.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/177/a-graph-theoretical-conjecture</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 11:53:26 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/177.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:32:12 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 23:43:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/8">@marylander</a> Thanks yup, this looks like a counterexample.</p>
<p dir="auto">Using some of the ideas in your construction I found a slightly smaller one on 8 nodes</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/forum/assets/uploads/files/1642635782108-cd7a0a63-764a-466c-ab71-8fa9552bf2fb-image.png" alt="cd7a0a63-764a-466c-ab71-8fa9552bf2fb-image.png" class=" img-responsive img-markdown" width="466" height="315" /></p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1020</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1020</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:former_user]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 23:43:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:49:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@brozai Sorry, I made a transcription error. I can upload the sketch I based the matrix on, although it is jank. At first I didn't upload it because I didn't think it would be readable adding the LO edges.</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/forum/assets/uploads/files/1642574814826-counter.png" alt="counter.png" class=" img-responsive img-markdown" width="630" height="517" /></p>
<p dir="auto">I tweaked the example slightly as well but I don't think it was necessary.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1019</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1019</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:49:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:31:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/8">@marylander</a> ,</p>
<p dir="auto">This is a great find, but remember all the edge weights should be unique! Nonetheless it's interesting to know that the conjecture does not hold in general.</p>
<p dir="auto">Edit: Also, is there both an edge (l0, b1) and (b1, l0) ? I may be misinterpreting</p>
<p dir="auto">Btw if you're curious for context, this is related to a question in <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.00542" rel="nofollow ugc">https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.00542</a> that Simple Stable Voting will return a candidate in the Split Cycle set over uniquely weighted tournaments.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1018</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1018</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:former_user]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:31:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:41:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@brozai I think I found a counterexample</p>
<table class="table table-bordered table-striped">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>From</th>
<th>c1</th>
<th>c2</th>
<th>c3</th>
<th>l0</th>
<th>l1</th>
<th>l2</th>
<th>b1</th>
<th>b2</th>
<th>d1</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>c1</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-98</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>c2</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>4</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>c3</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>13</td>
<td>12</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>l0</td>
<td>-99</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-10</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>9</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>l1</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-11</td>
<td>-8</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>l2</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-13</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>20</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>b1</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>3</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-7</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-9</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>b2</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>8</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-96</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>d1</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-97</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>LO</td>
<td>-</td>
<td>-</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p dir="auto">f(c1)=c2 f(c2)=c3 f(c3)=l0<br />
f(l0)=l1 f(l1)=l2 f(l2)=l0<br />
f(b1)=l0 f(b2)=d1<br />
f(d1)=l0</p>
<p dir="auto">Edit: at the end of the row for l0, changed the last 3 values from 9/-7/- to -/9/-<br />
Also changed the edge from l2 to b1 with weight -12 to an edge from b1 to l2 with weight -8.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1017</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1017</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:41:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:58:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/8">@marylander</a> Here is an example graph which is quite annoying, in that it shows it is possible to construct such a graph where f is not a permutation</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/forum/assets/uploads/files/1642539465039-080a6482-2e59-484e-9635-41c69b7dd34f-image.png" alt="080a6482-2e59-484e-9635-41c69b7dd34f-image.png" class=" img-responsive img-markdown" width="1010" height="1352" /></p>
<p dir="auto">The bottom graph shows the edges selected by f</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1015</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1015</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:former_user]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:58:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:57:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@brozai True. Then this only shows that in any counterexample f cannot be a permutation/injective.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1014</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1014</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:57:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:54:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/8">@marylander</a> , thank you for taking the time to think about this problem.</p>
<p dir="auto">This is a good observation. You can construct such a graph where f creates a a single cycle by, for example, having a Hamiltonian cycle consisting of all the strongest edges in E.</p>
<p dir="auto">Unfortunately, f may not be injective, so it will not necessarily be a permutation. I believe, however, that we can reduce to the case where f(x) (for specifically the x as chosen to minimize (x, f(x)) has a unique preimage</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1013</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1013</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:former_user]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:54:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to A Graph Theoretical Conjecture on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:51:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@brozai Here is a basic detail. In any counterexample, f cannot be a single cycle, since when we take x such that (x, f(x)) is minimized, we can take the path from f(x) to x, f(x) -&gt; f^2(x) -&gt;... -&gt; f^|V|(x)=x.</p>
<p dir="auto">Edit: If we take x such that (x,f(x)) is minimized, we can get a path from f(x) to x by repeatedly applying f and using the edge (f^i(x), f^i+1(x)). Since (x,f(x)) is minimal all of these edges will have weight higher than (x,f(x)). ((x, f(x)) will never have to be used because once x is reached, we're done.)<br />
We are guaranteed to reach x because f is a permutation and permutations can always be decomposed into disjoint cycles.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1012</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/post/1012</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:51:57 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>