<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Meta Discussion]]></title><description><![CDATA[Meta Discussion]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/category/46</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2026 20:50:55 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/category/46.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 05:33:00 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Another Forum on Voting Systems]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/6">@jack-waugh</a> Oh, okay!  Thanks for the shoutout!  Here's a more stable link to use: <a href="https://electorama.com/discord" rel="nofollow ugc">https://electorama.com/discord</a> .</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/601/another-forum-on-voting-systems</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/601/another-forum-on-voting-systems</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[robla]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 05:33:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Consolidation and Navigation of Forum Activity]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/9">@cfrank</a> - as <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/52">@Toby-Pereira</a> mentioned, there is <a href="https://electowiki.org" rel="nofollow ugc">electowiki</a> for consolidating ideas from over here.  At this point, I'm already relying on some pretty substantial help from LLMs for the tools I use to put together the electorama news.  The latest draft edition is here:</p>
<p dir="auto"><a href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/ElectoramaNews/2026-January" rel="nofollow ugc">https://electowiki.org/wiki/ElectoramaNews/2026-January</a></p>
<p dir="auto">The prose in the ElectoramaNews is pretty much all mine, but the code I've "written" to provide the summaries of each of the forums (like <a href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/ElectoramaNews/2026-January#Section03_--_Voting_Theory_Forum_update" rel="nofollow ugc">my summary of this forum</a>) was mostly generated from a vibecoded script I run periodically.  My hope is that I'll be able to provide a more-and-more sophisticated summary of the various forums every month, and maybe I can have my tools call the LLMs to provide the summaries of the discussions.  Right now, the "summary" in many sections is basically just a link to every forum post or email or whatever.</p>
<p dir="auto">Hopefully, by regularly publishing <a href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/ElectoramaNews" rel="nofollow ugc">ElectoramaNews</a>, we'll be able to drive some traffic over here to the Voting Theory forum.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/594/consolidation-and-navigation-of-forum-activity</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/594/consolidation-and-navigation-of-forum-activity</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[robla]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 07:29:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[New users cannot comment on posts?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/218">@kodos</a> I've changed it so new users have to register with an e-mail address. I don't think that's too onerous, and it should make the problem go away.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/562/new-users-cannot-comment-on-posts</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/562/new-users-cannot-comment-on-posts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Toby Pereira]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2025 20:28:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Automatic Mixed Member STAR Fusion?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/168">@mendicant</a> As I mentioned in <a href="https://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/436/some-political-groups-within-slovenia-are-pushing-for-mmp-with-runoff-election" rel="nofollow ugc">another thread</a> recently there is <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/electionscience/c/aP7ybKMb1zs/m/giaYAh6wAwAJ" rel="nofollow ugc">this score/MMP system</a>, which I also made a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjeBEBZjm9Y" rel="nofollow ugc">video</a> of.</p>
<p dir="auto">Basically, you give a score to all the candidates standing locally, and can also give a separate score to any parties or independent candidates standing in the wider region.</p>
<p dir="auto">The local candidate with the highest score (or STAR winner or whatever) is elected. Then the local areas are combined into one larger region for the top-up phase, A voter's party scores are given to all candidates standing for that party outside their local area. The rest of the seats are allocated in the most proportional way possible given those already elected. Probably using something like <a href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/Phragmen%27s_voting_rules" rel="nofollow ugc">Phragmén</a>.</p>
<p dir="auto">Works with approval voting too.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/460/automatic-mixed-member-star-fusion</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/460/automatic-mixed-member-star-fusion</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Toby Pereira]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:02:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[My proposal for this forum]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@michaelossipoff Great. But I think readers are likely not to notice the activity in this thread, which started as a set of proposals about forum governance by a participant now banned. To try to get more attention, let's move the discussion of voting on voting systems to <a href="https://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/466/polling-ourselves" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/466/polling-ourselves</a> . I posted my updated nominations there, for one of the categories. Thanks for reviving the topic of voting on voting systems.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/338/my-proposal-for-this-forum</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/338/my-proposal-for-this-forum</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 02:07:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Places to discuss voting methods]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/52">@toby-pereira</a></p>
<p dir="auto">Yes, but the big winner, so far, in the burial-deterrence category, is RP(wv), which isn't a new-invention method, but, rather is a traditional, classical, immensely popular &amp; high-prestige method.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/439/places-to-discuss-voting-methods</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/439/places-to-discuss-voting-methods</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:former_user]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:14:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Opportunity to either significantly improve this forum, or just let it go peacefully into the night]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/72">@culi</a> The forum is not dead. It's not the most active forum, but it's definitely not dead.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/328/opportunity-to-either-significantly-improve-this-forum-or-just-let-it-go-peacefully-into-the-night</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/328/opportunity-to-either-significantly-improve-this-forum-or-just-let-it-go-peacefully-into-the-night</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Toby Pereira]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2023 17:10:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Simplifying the Forum Categories.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/7">@sarawolk</a> maybe we can have a "Voting Theory" category with two subcategories, "The big picture", for discussing the more social and connective aspects of voting theory and "Down to the details" for getting into more technical theories and problems.</p>
<p dir="auto">This could provide space for people to really theorize and make connections about collective decision making in general, whether that's in institutional, government or informal settings.</p>
<p dir="auto">Actually it could be nice to have a "beyond categories" space too, similar to the watercooler but more geared as a catch all for voting/collective decision making discussion that's multidisciplinary or defies categories.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/369/simplifying-the-forum-categories</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/369/simplifying-the-forum-categories</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[micahscopes]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2023 19:44:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[ATTN: Forum Council Meeting Scheduled!]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Thanks to everyone who came to today's council meeting!</p>
<p dir="auto">Cliff's Notes:</p>

We had nine people total and three of the four council members present.
We were able to get through everything on the agenda, and we added a number of new people to <a href="https://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/345/read-me-leadership-and-council-decisions" rel="nofollow ugc">leadership positions</a>!
We also made some plans and set some good intentions going forward.
This meeting followed the trend of our previous council meetings, and all discussions passed were unanimous (with some abstentions.)
We had general consensus to simplify our categories list, but didn't have agreement on a specific proposal, so we decided to continue the discussion here on the forum and then vote when we're ready.

<p dir="auto">Here's to a great next era of the Voting Theory Forum!</p>
<p dir="auto">To everyone who RSVPed, attended, volunteered, gave input, or stepped up to serve in a leadership position. Thank you!!!</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/357/attn-forum-council-meeting-scheduled</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/357/attn-forum-council-meeting-scheduled</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SaraWolk]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2023 01:25:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Way too many categories]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/52">@toby-pereira</a> thanks for the "lumpers vs. splitters" description, made me chuckle.  It'd be nice if there was an interface that both lumpers and splitters could appreciate, like something that kept the tags and categories collapsed or expanded based on how you last set it.</p>
<p dir="auto">In the context of this forum, maybe it could make sense to keep the most "general" categories and move everything else to tags?  People would still need to agree on what counts as general though.</p>
<p dir="auto">Some issues with tags though: they have a length limit, and the interface for browsing them and adding them isn't as organized or alluring (colorful) as the category browser.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/227/way-too-many-categories</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/227/way-too-many-categories</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[micahscopes]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2023 23:03:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Resignation]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Okay. Message received. Thank you Jack for all you've put in to help build this forum. We couldn't have done it without you!</p>
<p dir="auto">I'll keep you looped in if there's anything on the tech team that comes up.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/367/resignation</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/367/resignation</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SaraWolk]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2023 03:09:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Next Steps for Managing the Forum]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Azure (Microsoft) does in fact <a href="https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/linux-on-azure/#overview" rel="nofollow ugc">support</a> Linux.</p>
<p dir="auto"><a href="https://bitbucket.org/voting-theory-forum/sys_adm_ubuntu/src/master/" rel="nofollow ugc">Notes</a> remind me that the distro I used on Linode (now merged with Akamai) is Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS (bionic).</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/347/next-steps-for-managing-the-forum</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/347/next-steps-for-managing-the-forum</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:44:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Who Can SSH to the VM Underlying This Forum]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">By username within the VM:</p>
<p dir="auto">Directly into root: only Jack. But see "sys" below. Also, note that whoever can log in to the Linode console as a user belonging to the account under which Linode provides the VM, can obtain root access.</p>
<p dir="auto">theory (used for production): Jack, "theory@li629-205" pseudouser used for alleged backups, "ewilhelm@broq" Eric Wilhelm.</p>
<p dir="auto">stage (conceivably usable for staging): same people as "theory".</p>
<p dir="auto">sys (used for system administration): same people as "theory". This account has my version of "sudo". So, whoever can SSH to this account can do Superuser things. My version never asks for a password.</p>
<p dir="auto">share (used to provide software for both "theory" and "stage"): same people as "theory".</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/348/who-can-ssh-to-the-vm-underlying-this-forum</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/348/who-can-ssh-to-the-vm-underlying-this-forum</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2023 08:07:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Metadiscussion]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">When a reform that people think will produce democracy fails to do so, that merits a notice.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/303/the-metadiscussion</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/303/the-metadiscussion</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 22:02:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[My bad regarding link to forum at =vote]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><img src="/forum/assets/uploads/files/1679627670858-screenshot-2023-03-23-201141.jpg" alt="Screenshot 2023-03-23 201141.jpg" class=" img-responsive img-markdown" width="774" height="523" /></p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/336/my-bad-regarding-link-to-forum-at-vote</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/336/my-bad-regarding-link-to-forum-at-vote</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rob]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2023 03:15:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Who Is Doing This]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">When the forum was originally set up Jack just put it all in his own name as a stopgap, but that was never the permanent plan.</p>
<p dir="auto">At the last meeting we discussed funds and bookkeeping and managing of that kind of thing and decided to do that through Equal Vote so we don't need a whole separate person/process for treasury and bookkeeping. They also voted to coalition unanimously (I abstained.)</p>
<p dir="auto">The other reason mentioned was the "What if I get hit by a bus" issue, so we have been in the process of moving the forum into the fold of Equal Vote assets to ensure that passing of keys can be ensured, and adjudicated if needed, should anything happen to whoever has it in their name currently.</p>
<p dir="auto">As part of that I've put in a bunch of hours over the last month on the back end and we now have the url on our the Equal Vote account and are paying for it from Equal Vote. Donations for the Forum can also be made to Equal Vote with earmarking for the Forum if desired. We also obtained a grant from Azure that can pay for the hosting, so the plan is to move the hosting there.</p>
<p dir="auto">Again, Voting Theory Forum is still fully autonomous and this is a service that Equal Vote can offer and is happy to provide since we already manage this stuff for a number of other sites in our network.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/73/who-is-doing-this</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/73/who-is-doing-this</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SaraWolk]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:08:37 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[An idea to increase activity at this forum]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@andy-dienes Thanks this is good, I like your groupings.  I'd also like to hold votes that are more specific, such as "for a condorcet method, what is your preferred tiebreaker approach?"  With possible answers combining ballot type (ranked, ranked allowing duplicates, rated 0-100, rated 0-5) and tiebreak tabulation method (irv, plurality, borda, score)</p>
<p dir="auto">I don't want to do anything that requires a different log in or cookie or whatever, I'd like to know where the votes are coming from, and discourage people from voting more than once or voting if they don't even introduce themselves or participate in the community otherwise. So I'd prefer just collect the ballots manually for now, from posts and signatures here, and maybe posts on reddit's EndFPTP forum. There's also the election methods mailing list....</p>
<p dir="auto">Remember that we can do a new one at any time, and anyone in the group can post one. I'll happily tabulate them and show pretty results and share my work on a forkable codepen , at least to get people started. Anyone is free to retabulate.</p>
<p dir="auto">I was hoping to collect high-resolution cardinal ballots. I'd suggest rate on a scale of 0-10, decimal places allowed e.g. 5.76. If anyone wants to use a different scale, such as 0 to a million, fine, whatever...it will just be normalized anyway. And then we'll show results in a bunch of different methods. People can supply an approval threshold, if none supplied it defaults to 5.  So mine might look like:</p>
Copeland/IRV [10], Ranked Robin[9.5], Any Condorcet [9], Copeland/Normalized Score [8.7], Copeland/Score [8.5], Cardinal Baldwin [8], IRV [6], STAR [5], Approval [3], Score [2], Borda[1], FPTP [0]
ApprovalThreshold: 4

<p dir="auto">(that's using what is in my signature, but some of the groupings don't make sense for a real poll, especially "any condorcet")</p>
<p dir="auto">I'll show some ideas for the pretty results display (hopefully with some interactivity or ability to animate or whatnot) soon. You may have seen some of my work in this direction....here's a some of it: (the Sankey diagram for IRV in the upper left isn't mine but it is uses an open source library to generate them)screenvoting.png</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/uid/17">@rob</a> said in <a href="/forum/post/1268">An idea to increase activity at this forum</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">That said, in the perfect world, yes there would be a nice voting widget.</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">I'm gradually working toward that. I have experimented with running custom js in this forum  and looking for things in posts that I can parse and replace and add interactivity. . (@Jack-Waugh has been trusting enough to allow me privileges so I can do that.... but currently nothing is running) Automatic server-side tabulation and external storage of poll data would come later if people stay interested.  It's doable, but not needed to get it started.</p>
<p dir="auto">Do you know javascript or typescript? 🙂</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/206/an-idea-to-increase-activity-at-this-forum</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/206/an-idea-to-increase-activity-at-this-forum</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rob]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Support of the Server]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If you notice that the forum is down, or the home page, or the archive, please alert me by writing to me at <code>zmrec2mqd9</code> ayut <code>snkmail</code> daht kahm. Please write this address down now, because in case the forum crashes, you shan't be able to reread it hence.</p>
<p dir="auto">If anyone is willing and able to back me up in supporting the server, please send me your public key that you use with SSH. If you tend to use PUTTY, please research how to convert your public key for use on Linux. Please take care not to send your private key.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/85/support-of-the-server</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/85/support-of-the-server</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Waugh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2021 01:31:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Transparency of https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.votingtheory.org&#x2F;]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Also, the Groups page lists which accounts have admin/mod privileges. Since it's tied to the forum software, it will update automatically.</p>
]]></description><link>http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/72/transparency-of-https-www-votingtheory-org</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.votingtheory.org/forum/topic/72/transparency-of-https-www-votingtheory-org</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Marylander]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 17:31:29 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>